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Canadian Veterans need to force government to legislate law of social contract

Post by Vizzer1 on Fri 20 Jul 2018, 9:15 am

Without a social contract legislated into law, Veterans will never get a fair hand.

It is unlikely that any government would entertain this simply because this would put the Veterans file in a equal playing field with Veterans.


This in my opinion should be made a priority for Veterans to fight for this legislation regardless of the power the government holds. Nothing wrong with making it public to put pressure on the government.

The following article in my opinion has got it right: https://vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/opinion-canada-should-establish-in-law-a-social-contract-with-veterans
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Post by Powergunner on Fri 20 Jul 2018, 3:44 pm

I agree this is what's needed but very unlikely to ever happen. Canadians join the forces not thinking about getting released medically so the fight is left to those already released medically. The way the government runs our file today is completely run on a one sided basis, one sided being the government. Perhaps as stated more emphasis from Veteran groups need to make this a priority in the advocating being done.
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Post by Trooper on Sat 21 Jul 2018, 8:01 am

When the pension act was formed we had a Prime Minister who actually truly cared from the heart and put Veterans before political gain. (Prime Minister Borden) Today we have governments who put political agendas before Veterans. In my opinion the only way a Canadian Prime Minister will ever agree to sign/legislate a social contract for Veterans is where one has the same respect and care that was showed by Prime Minister Robert Borden. In today's society Canadian politicians are out for themselves and allow the Veterans file to be run by those who care only about themselves. The Veterans file no longer sits as a system that is set up for sacrifice, that is gone simply because the government has allowed this to take place. There's no other way to put it, the government has turned it's back on it's Veterans. Perhaps some day we will get someone in power that is above being pulled into the bureaucratic BS, and actually for once stand up to the bureaucrats, and start listening and acting on what Veterans want. Don't ever for one minute think that what we have today, and what's coming down the road for the Veterans file even remotely comes close to the pension act in terms of being of equal fairness in comparing the two, this is not something Veterans should ever be fooled on. Being fooled on this plays right into the hands of the government. I can tell you straight out that the government is no friend to it's Veterans. We see it all around us when the Veterans Minister goes around trying to sell something that just does not hold merit compared to the pension act. And the same Minister knocks down the pension act as being inferior than what his putting into place. Seamus is acting like an insurance salesman trying to persuade Canadian Veterans that his insurance style system is superior then the pension act, and the NVC. He is only in this ride for a short period of time so why would he actually take the time to go in deeper to really understand what's really going on. In saying that we have to ask ourselves does Seamus actually truly care for Veterans? Does the Prime Minister truly care for Veterans?
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Robert Borden cared less until many suffered and died! Nothing has Changed!

Post by ScottyG on Sat 21 Jul 2018, 12:21 pm

Trooper wrote:When the pension act was formed we had a Prime Minister who actually truly cared from the heart and put Veterans before political gain. (Prime Minister Borden)

Did He really care about the soldiers while they suffered. PM Borden appointed Sam Hughes Def Minister Why?  

Borden had "profound misgivings" about appointing Hughes to the cabinet, but as Hughes insisted on the defense portfolio, and Borden owned Hughes a political debt for his past loyalty, he received his wish to be appointed defense minister.

Something never change! Political Appts!

The real Sam Hughes:

His historical reputation was sullied further by poor decisions on procurements for the force. Insisting on the utilization of Canadian manufactured equipment, Hughes presided over the deployment of equipment that was often inappropriate for the Western Front, or of dubious quality. Previous to 1917, this had negatively affected the operational performance of the Canadian Expeditionary Force.[41] The Ross rifle, MacAdam Shield Shovel, boots and webbing (developed for use in the South African War), and the Colt machine gun were all Canadian items which were eventually replaced or abandoned due to quality or severe functionality issues. The management of spending for supplies was eventually taken away from Hughes and assigned to the newly formed War Purchasing Commission in 1915.[42] It was not until Hughes' resignation in November 1916 that the Ross Rifle, which often jammed in trench warfare conditions, was fully abandoned in favour of the British standard Lee–Enfield rifle.

Needless to say the Soldier's feet rotted while in the trenches. How many suffered and died due to stupid decisions made by this cabinet minister who the PM knew appointing was a mistake prior!

Fuddle-Duddle Sam H and Robert B couldn't even get the soldiers decent boots and usable functioning rifles!

Maybe, just maybe, after the war he had some guilt feelings to due the mess of the returning veterans. Then the Pension Act got his support ONLY because of mistakes he made in appointing the wrong person for the job.

Do not get me started in the motivation for women getting the right to vote. Another story!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Hughes
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Re: Canadian Veterans need to force government to legislate law of social contract

Post by Trooper on Sat 21 Jul 2018, 5:41 pm

ScottyG wrote:
Trooper wrote:When the pension act was formed we had a Prime Minister who actually truly cared from the heart and put Veterans before political gain. (Prime Minister Borden)

Did He really care about the soldiers while they suffered. PM Borden appointed Sam Hughes Def Minister Why?  

Borden had "profound misgivings" about appointing Hughes to the cabinet, but as Hughes insisted on the defense portfolio, and Borden owned Hughes a political debt for his past loyalty, he received his wish to be appointed defense minister.

Something never change! Political Appts!

The real Sam Hughes:

His historical reputation was sullied further by poor decisions on procurements for the force. Insisting on the utilization of Canadian manufactured equipment, Hughes presided over the deployment of equipment that was often inappropriate for the Western Front, or of dubious quality. Previous to 1917, this had negatively affected the operational performance of the Canadian Expeditionary Force.[41] The Ross rifle, MacAdam Shield Shovel, boots and webbing (developed for use in the South African War), and the Colt machine gun were all Canadian items which were eventually replaced or abandoned due to quality or severe functionality issues. The management of spending for supplies was eventually taken away from Hughes and assigned to the newly formed War Purchasing Commission in 1915.[42] It was not until Hughes' resignation in November 1916 that the Ross Rifle, which often jammed in trench warfare conditions, was fully abandoned in favour of the British standard Lee–Enfield rifle.

Needless to say the Soldier's feet rotted while in the trenches. How many suffered and died due to stupid decisions made by this cabinet minister who the PM knew appointing was a mistake prior!

Fuddle-Duddle  Sam H and Robert B couldn't even get the soldiers decent boots and usable functioning rifles!

Maybe, just maybe, after the war he had some guilt feelings to due the mess of the returning veterans. Then the Pension Act got his support ONLY because of mistakes he made in appointing the wrong person for the job.

Do not get me started in the motivation for women getting the right to vote. Another story!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Hughes

Scotty,

Good points and I certainly agree that Prime Minister Borden had questionable orders and made mistakes, I think all past Prime Minister have. But on the topic of Disabled Canadian Veterans and the legislative of the enacting of the 1919 pension act, this was done under Borden's watch. The pension act once enacted needed more improvements well after Borden's time, but the principle system stayed the same. More was added to the system for improvements up until it was replaced.

It was also Borden's 1917 pledge that was made to Canadian soldiers that is now being used as a power point in the Equitas suit;

“You can go into this action feeling assured of this, and as the head of the government I give you this assurance: That you need not fear that the government and the country will fail to show just appreciation of your service to the country and Empire in what you are about to do and what you have already done.

“The government and the country will consider it their first duty to see that a proper appreciation of your effort and of your courage is brought to the notice of people at home that no man, whether he goes back or whether he remains in Flanders, will have just cause to reproach the government for having broken faith with the men who won and the men who died.”


The only problem with his pledge is that it was never legislated or put into law. It was a verbal pledge which in those days was good enough as seen with the enacting of the pension act in 1919.

In today's world we see politicians make promises to Veterans, and once elected, the promises are legislated in a way that looks like the promise, but is not. Especially the reinstating of the lifelong pension promise which is not coming in the April 2019 PFL.

The problem I'm having is that Disabled Veterans have no means or legislative law that they can use to protect their rights to have a fair, and or equal playing field with respect to the government on the Veterans file. It's a one sided system in favor of the government. Therefore we see a lot of disabled Veterans trying to cope with their disabilities, being released from the service, and now have to go through hell to get benefits which by the way are set, and fully controlled by the government. And people wonder why we have so many homeless Veterans, Veterans with mental issues, and worse of all a high number of suicides.
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