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Post by Trooper Mon 09 Oct 2017, 11:44 am

SISIP Financial

Understanding the realities of military lifestyle, we are the exclusive and trusted provider of financial products and services to Canada’s military community.

Long Term Disability Insurance:

A Treasury Board supported plan that provides replacement income protection if a member is released for medical reasons or qualifies as being “totally disabled”.

The Long Term Disability (LTD) is a disability group insurance plan for members of the:

  • Regular Force


  • Reserve Force on Class C Service


  • Primary Reserve Force on Class A & B Service


Eligibility: For all service attributable and non-service attributable medical releases.  

The LTD plan is also designed to assist members in obtaining gainful civilian employment through participation in the Vocational Rehabilitation Program.

Click on the link below to view the SISIP Financial Website and scroll down to the bottom of the page for Long Term Disability  

https://www.sisip.com/en/
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Post by Rubicon Mon 09 Oct 2017, 2:46 pm

I am missing something here because I do not understand why I would want a CPPD if I am already in receipt of a 35yr CF pension (already indexed)especially if they deduct that same CPPD amount from my CF pension. In my case I am in receipt of a 35yr pension (already indexed) but am now in receipt of a 3B medical release from the Reserves as a Class A Reservist. I am NOT eligible for SISIP LTD as they deduct my CFSA pension from the SISIP LTD amount (calculated at the Class A Reserve amount) and the net sum is NEGATIVE meaning there is a ZERO amount for LTD benefits because my pension is too high. I may be eligible for vocational rehab but as a Class A Reservist my SISIP Case Manager says I had to be sick on a work day and seen a doctor that day plus I had to be diagnosed that day by a physician for the condition for which I am being released under 3B. Since I saw my family doctor on a work day I meet the first condition but the diagnosis was made by a specialist months later so I do not meet the SISIP requirement for vocational rehab benefits. These artificial requirements seem to be in place so SISIP/Manulife does not have to pay out benefits. Secondly, two of the three conditions precipitating my 3B medical release have already been denied by VAC. I have degenerative disk disease (DDD) in my neck at C-5, C-6, C-7 for which VAC has already awarded me an amount prior to retiring from the Reg Force in 2013. Subsequently, while serving as a Reservist I was diagnosed with cervical angina (false heart attacks) and occipital neuralgia (severe up-to-3-day headaches) both of which are consequential to the pinched nerve associated with my DDD. VAC has denied the two consequential conditions stating they were covered under the DDD award but they weren't even diagnosed at the time of the disability award for DDD. Lastly, and to my point, if the EXACT amount of CPPD is deducted from my 35yr CF pension (which is already indexed) why would I bother applying for something that just gets deducted anyway leaving me no further ahead. Can someone explain what the advantage is in my case as I just don't see it mathematically making sense. If my case is the exception to applying for CPPD I can accept that otherwise I just don't see the advantage. Here's the quote from the CPPD website from Trooper's link: "If your disability benefit is approved, you must pay back the retirement pension payments you received. Normally, we recover the retirement pension payments from your first disability payment." Why bother is my question. Thanks for listening.

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Post by Trooper Mon 09 Oct 2017, 3:17 pm

Rubicon wrote:I am missing something here because I do not understand why I would want a CPPD if I am already in receipt of a 35yr CF pension (already indexed)especially if they deduct that same CPPD amount from my CF pension. In my case I am in receipt of a 35yr pension (already indexed) but am now in receipt of a 3B medical release from the Reserves as a Class A Reservist. I am NOT eligible for SISIP LTD as they deduct my CFSA pension from the SISIP LTD amount (calculated at the Class A Reserve amount) and the net sum is NEGATIVE meaning there is a ZERO amount for LTD benefits because my pension is too high. I may be eligible for vocational rehab but as a Class A Reservist my SISIP Case Manager says I had to be sick on a work day and seen a doctor that day plus I had to be diagnosed that day by a physician for the condition for which I am being released under 3B. Since I saw my family doctor on a work day I meet the first condition but the diagnosis was made by a specialist months later so I do not meet the SISIP requirement for vocational rehab benefits. These artificial requirements seem to be in place so SISIP/Manulife does not have to pay out benefits. Secondly, two of the three conditions precipitating my 3B medical release have already been denied by VAC. I have degenerative disk disease (DDD) in my neck at C-5, C-6, C-7 for which VAC has already awarded me an amount prior to retiring from the Reg Force in 2013. Subsequently, while serving as a Reservist I was diagnosed with cervical angina (false heart attacks) and occipital neuralgia (severe up-to-3-day headaches) both of which are consequential to the pinched nerve associated with my DDD. VAC has denied the two consequential conditions stating they were covered under the DDD award but they weren't even diagnosed at the time of the disability award for DDD. Lastly, and to my point, if the EXACT amount of CPPD is deducted from my 35yr CF pension (which is already indexed) why would I bother applying for something that just gets deducted anyway leaving me no further ahead. Can someone explain what the advantage is in my case as I just don't see it mathematically making sense. If my case is the exception to applying for CPPD I can accept that otherwise I just don't see the advantage. Here's the quote from the CPPD website from Trooper's link: "If your disability benefit is approved, you must pay back the retirement pension payments you received. Normally, we recover the retirement pension payments from your first disability payment." Why bother is my question. Thanks for listening.

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Your CF pension is reduced from CPPD before age 65. It is not deducted dollar for dollar. The best thing to do if you are thinking of applying for CPPD, is to call the CF pension office and ask them what amount aprox will be deducted. If your not on SISIP or ELB the only thing that should concern you is the cf pension. Once you get that info, that will tell you whether it's worth applying for.
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Post by Guest Mon 09 Oct 2017, 4:10 pm

What I do know if you are approved for CPPD  you will begin the claw back (bridge benefit) prior to turning 65.
If you start receiving a Canada Pension Plan  disability benefit, your bridge benefit entitlement ceases. You should advise the Government of Canada Pension Centre as soon as possible and provide them with a copy of the CPP form "1808 Notice of Entitlement". These documents are included with your first CPP disability pension cheque. This minimizes the risk that your bridge benefit will not stop as quickly as the law requires, creating an overpayment of pension, which must be recovered.

FYI:Additionally Sisip will always request you apply for CPPD if you are awarded LTD/ELB it is reduced by the amount of CPPD dollar for dollar. (They pay less saving sisip money)

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Post by Guest Mon 09 Oct 2017, 7:10 pm

Rubicon,
            The benefit to applying before 65 for CPPD is twofold: first, if you have kids you get an allowance for them up till they’re adults. Second, if you’re not working, the CPP benefits you have will cease accruing, your benefit is based on your working life. For example, If you don’t work the last ten years before 65 your CPP will be lower than if you commence right away from a status of full employment. Aside from that, the bridge for most is less than the CPP they’ll get, so you come out slightly ahead unless you’re collecting SISIP or ELB.

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Post by sabrelove Mon 09 Oct 2017, 7:24 pm

Rubicon, I believe your question is why apply if you get no monetary benefit now. Now that you are released and no longer have an "income", you are not contributing to CPP. So if you have 10 years left before you turn 65 and apply for CPP, the value of your CPP benefit at 65 will be reduced.

While it is true that the CPPD is deducted from your pension and SISIP, if you apply now, you lock in your CPP rate. Once you turn 65, the CPPD is converted to CPP at the same monthly rate, not reduced.

Yes, SISIP will require you to apply because they are an insurance company and top you up from all sources, so they more sources that pay you, the less they need to pay. But ultimately, it will help you when you turn 65.

Just be aware of the pain-in-the-ass factor when applying for CPPD. It can be very hard to get. My hubby applied and was turned down because he could drive. But who would hire him with all the meds he is on? No one would take on that liability. However CPPD didn't consider that a problem, you can drive, you're not disabled.

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Post by Trooper Wed 11 Oct 2017, 11:11 am

Benefits for Survivors (of Disability Award recipients)


Death Benefit / Disability Award

If a Canadian Armed Forces member dies as a result of a service-related injury or disease a financial benefit is paid to a spouse or common-law partner and/or dependent children. If the death occurs within 30 days of the injury, a death benefit is awarded. If the death occurs more than 30 days after the injury or disease, a Disability Award may be paid.

Disability Award:
http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/services/after-injury/disability-benefits/disability-award

Education Assistance Program

Educational Assistance provides monthly financial support to the student plus assistance with related expenses (e.g., tuition) for up to four years or 36 academic months, whichever is less.

Educational Assistance:
http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/services/information-for/families-and-survivors/education-assistance

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/services/after-injury/disability-benefits/disability-award/survivor-benefits
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Post by Trooper Thu 12 Oct 2017, 11:17 am

It seems as though SISIP has changed their online info link.

I have been trying to locate a link that shows the actual SISIP Policy 901102.

This is the new info SISIP/LTD link: https://www.sisip.com/en/

If anyone can find a link that shows the actual SISIP Policy 901102, could you please post it here?

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Budget 2017: Chapter 3 - A Strong Canada at Home and in the World


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