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Post by Trooper on Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:48 am

Gen. Jon Vance – the Canadian military’s (almost) $300,000 man

 David Pugliese
Published on: October 18, 2017

Chief of the Defence Staff Gen. Jon Vance could be seeing his salary increased.


Amanda Connolly of iPolitics is reporting that the pay package for Vance, the Chief of the Defence Staff, is increasing.

The salary range for the CDS position had been between $219,100 and $257,700. But on October 12, that salary range was boosted by the government. The CDS salary is now between $247,900 to $291,600. that raise is also backdated to July 17 of this year.

Still, Vance’s pay packet is a little behind the Judge Advocate General. Last year, Ottawa lawyer Michel Drapeau found that the JAG received a salary of $314,000.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/gen-jon-vance-the-canadian-militarys-almost-300000-man


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Post by Dannypaj on Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:49 am

Hush money and leading the troops properly.
Once a proper leader is in place, "the career salary" will be worth the expense...but how do you lead troops properly or follow orders from a GOC (Government of Canada) that basically misguided the Canadian population as a whole.
But wait, I could be wrong!
There is yet to be an announcement brought to you by, yours truly the GOC.  
Will they (GOC) fulfill a campaign promise?
Will it be well delivered and accepted by us (veterans).
Yet, "option" is the word that is being tossed out there.
Options are good, but when you make a black and white promise to re-instate the Pension Act, well the Veteran's community will and should hold the GOC accountable to this.
Financial security that is good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Post by Trooper on Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:14 am

With a salary as high as that, does anyone think Vance will ever go against the Grain? Absolutely not, everything that comes out of this individuals mouth has first been passed through the government channels for approval. Most if not all that comes out of this individuals mouth is coming from the bureaucrats, then is passed on to the public after being approved by the government. Those that go against the grain, (Government) usually don't last long in their position.

Look at the latest article by Guy Parent, (Veterans Ombudsman) "Veterans ombudsman says more ex-soldiers will need assisted living help." You can rest assure that what was said in that article was first passed by the government for approval, I would say all that the Ombudsman writes or say's has first passed the governments approval, this is why he still holds that position. Why he was re assigned that position after the Liberals won the election.

This is how the Veterans file is also run, the bureaucrats run the file, the Minister and the PM act on what the bureaucrats say. Take a close look at the past 10 years, and you will see what I mean.


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Post by JAFO on Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:20 pm

Actually Trooper the Ombudsman was asked to "resign" as the Ombudsman when the Libs came into power. He refused and is going to finish his time (another 2/3 years).

That said I really don't think the Ombudsman gets the OK from the bureaucrats on what he writes because he has no bureaucrats he has to report to.

The Ombudsman's office is separate from VAC. They do their research. For example on the assisted living issue his office would look at what is currently on the books as a benefit. They then look at the injuries, information given to them by VAC. Then they forecast who is likely to need assisted living by comparing them to WWII and Korea veteran injuries. Once the numbers are looked at the office then writes their reports/recommendations. So if the bureaucrats are letting our Ombudsman say what they want then why do they pass on the correct info to the Ombudsman?

I know a lot of veterans think the Ombudsman's Office is useless. That is their opinion and I respect that.

In my opinion this Ombudsman is doing the job the only way that frustrates bureaucrats...research. Research they either do or they contract out to academia, accounting firms, health research forums.

For example the Cons in the last months of their time created post 65 benefits, widows benefit, and the living assistance allowance. Some would say they only created these benefits to garner votes.

Actually these allowances were created because the Ombudsman's office did an actuarial on NVC benefits and they "proved" that post 65 veterans under the NVC would automatically fall beneath the Canadian poverty income.

The actuarial done by the Ombudsman's office was the ONLY actuarial done by ANY gov't department. I know for a fact that the word "actuarial" was the new 4 letter "F" word forbidden by the gov't. Even the opposition parties, when asked to do it refused to do an actuarial.

The Ombudsman's Office also created the "red flag" application for terminal patients. The red flag application is where the application for the dieing veteran is hand delivered from department to department as a priority.

Why did the Ombudsman's Office push for this service? Veteran applications were dieing with them as their application slowly moves it's way thru the process. The Ombudsman found this to be wrong and pushed for it.

Just because this Ombudsman does not rant and rave in front of a camera doesn't mean he is not doing his job. He is by fighting the most boring war their is...a bureaucratic paper war. This is one of the main reasons Lying Justin wanted to have our Ombudsman resign his post...the OVO was/is winning the paper war.
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Post by Trooper on Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:41 pm

JAFO.

Your correct, the Liberals wanted the Veterans Ombudsman along with 32 other appointees to step aside. These were appointments, appointed by Harper. The reason why the Liberals wanted this done was because they wanted to put a new appointment process in place, once in place, those 33 appointees were welcomed to re-apply.
The Letter sent to the Veterans Ombudsman to voluntary step aside was not excepted by the Ombudsman.  

Just because the Veterans Ombudsman and his team are independent as set out in the Veterans Ombudsman's mandate, that does not mean he cannot associate with Veterans, and the team working under the Minister of Veterans Affairs. (Lots of bureaucrats there)

It is a roller coaster system, they are ALL in it together. If the Ombudsman was to rock the boat, IE: Pat B. Stogran, the Liberals would find a way, to make him, go away.
The Veterans Ombudsman is playing a game of two areas, one, the Veterans, and two, the government. He is trying to balance both in keeping himself looking like a great Ombudsman. It is clear from what the Ombudsman has written in the past, mostly on the New Veterans Charter, that these topics of the Ombudsman have been given the green light from the Veterans Ministers team. Yes, he has done some good for Veterans, but he is also weak on the most important issues Veterans are facing. He lost credibility in my opinion, and from what I have been reading, lost credibility by a great deal of Veterans when he said that the NVC is better than the old pension act. He is now preparing a study that he say's will show the NVC is better than the old pension act.

In my opinion, the Veterans Ombudsman is no better then the Legion, the Minister, and those who fall under the minister. They are all milking the system, they all go with the flow, grain, beat or whatever word you want to use. You go against the grain, you fall out of the system. That's the way it works.

I'm anxiously waiting for the Ombudsman's report on the NVC being better than the old act. If it's anything like his past myth busting blogs, he will again fail in proving the merits of his report presentation.

This is my opinion, I certainly respect your opinion JAFO, and the opinion of others who see it your way. It's a discussion with two different points of views. We will wait and see how things work out for the Ombudsman, I will be keeping on eye out on him, both from his public actions moving forward, and certainly his NVC report.
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