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Military, RCMP, public service should join Trudeau’s apology to LGBTQ community, advocates say

Post by Accer on Wed 22 Nov 2017, 10:50 am

Lynne Gouliquer, a military veteran who has researched the history of how LGBTQ people were hounded out of their jobs in the military and the federal government, said she wants to see the heads of the institutions responsible take part in the Nov. 28 apology in the House of Commons.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/11/20/military-rcmp-public-service-should-join-trudeaus-apology-to-lgbtq-community-advocates-say.html
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Post by Accer on Wed 22 Nov 2017, 10:52 am

Two LU faculty helped lead charge for apology to LGBTQ community for state-backed discrimination

But prime minister shouldn't be the only one to say sorry, say advocates

https://www.sudbury.com/around-the-north/two-lu-faculty-helped-lead-charge-for-apology-to-lgbtq-community-for-state-backed-discrimination-772855
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Post by Accer on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 3:20 pm

Agreement in principle reached in class action alleging LGBTQ discrimination

https://ipolitics.ca/2017/11/25/agreement-principle-reached-class-action-alleging-lgbtq-discrimination/
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Post by Trooper on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 7:03 pm

Trudeau settles another one!

Veterans don't think for one minute Trudeau will settle anything with Veterans. Trudeau is not Veteran friendly, deep down he has no respect for Veterans. Nor should Veterans have respect for him!
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Post by Trooper on Tue 28 Nov 2017, 6:44 pm

Justin Trudeau apologizes for ‘tragic act’ that targeted LGBTQ workers in civil service

The Canadian Armed Forces was “by far the worst,” he said. “The way they treated people, humiliating, degrading treatment.”

There has since been a “sea change” in the military, Robinson said, paying tribute to the current leadership for help in changing attitudes.

Gen. Jonathan Vance, the chief of defence staff, said Tuesday that he was “deeply sorry” for how the military discriminated against personnel simply because of their sexual orientation.

“On behalf of the Canadian Armed Forces, I am deeply sorry to all of you who were ever investigated, charged or released from the military because of your sexual orientation,” Vance said in an internal message to military personnel.

“You showed us honour and dedication, and we showed you the door. No apology or compensation can ever change the shameful way we instilled fear into your lives and took away your career,” he said.

In his statement, Vance highlighted recent developments, which have included allowing personnel to wear uniforms at Pride events and his own march in Ottawa’s Pride parade.

But, he noted, that it wasn’t long ago that the Armed Forces “was on a different path,” when personnel were “spied on, interrogated, and criminally pursued.

“We stripped away their dignity, before we ruined their livelihood,” Vance said.

He said that LGBTQ2 members showed courage for wearing the uniform “despite knowing they could be persecuted for just being themselves.”

The Canadian Press reports the Liberal government has earmarked more than
$100 million to compensate members of the class-action lawsuit, people who saw their military and federal public service careers sidelined or ended due to their sexual orientation.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/11/28/federal-liberals-table-bill-to-erase-criminal-records-for-consensual-same-sex-activity.html
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Post by iceman on Tue 28 Nov 2017, 8:21 pm

This is getting a little rediculous (not the issues, the payouts)

How about earmarking an additional 100 million+ To compensate those whose service careers were sidelined or ended due to their injuries as a result of defending our country.

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Post by Trooper on Wed 06 Dec 2017, 6:38 pm

‘All I wanted was for the government to say, “Yes, it’s true”‘

Lucie Laperle tells her story of being spied on, abused and institutionalized for being gay in the Canadian army—and what Trudeau’s apology meant to her

Verity Stevenson

December 6, 2017



Prime Minister Trudeau meets with Lucie Laperle at a reception following the Government’s apology to members of Canada’s LGBTQ2 community. Nov. 28, 2017.

Lucie Laperle was one of the veterans invited to Ottawa for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s apology to LGBTQ Canadians for the state discrimination they experienced. Laperle underwent surveillance, interrogation and was institutionalized because of her sexual orientation in the Canadian Forces in the 1970s. She has been diagnosed with PTSD, determined to have been caused by what happened to her in the army. Maclean’s met with her in Shannon, north of Quebec City. This is her story, as told to reporter Verity Stevenson.

At 12 years old, I told my mother and father, I said, “Don’t worry about me, I’m going to be in the army.” I knew. That’s what I wanted to do. And there were very little women enrolled at that time, but I knew I’d fit in. I fit in well with the Girl Guides.

So in 1973, at 18, instead of taking the bus to go to high school in Charlemagne, Que., I took the city bus to go to the recruitment centre on Bishop Street in Montreal. Without anyone knowing about it, I did that several times because getting into the army is a long process.

I finally signed the papers July 26 or 27 and had to be at the Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Que., base for Aug. 12, 1973. I ran to my room, grabbed the envelope, ran back down and put it in front of my parents. My dad didn’t react well because he’d seen his friends and cousins come back handicapped from World War Two. Whereas my mom—still today her reaction surprises me—she read it all very calmly. (She wasn’t warm, my mom, she was a cold woman.) She said, “Do I have to sign somewhere? Because if I could have gone in my day, I would have.” My mother is the exact same age as the Queen, she was utterly devoted to her, and the Queen had done her army service.

Aug. 12, 1973 came and I reported to the Saint-Jean base, with my little blue jacket and skirt, my little suitcase. I wasn’t gay, I was nothing. I was a real virgin; I’d never smoked pot, I’d never had a drink. And there I was in the army. I remember the accolades were too long for me. Leave me alone so I can start already.

What we loved is that we could do things we couldn’t do as civilians. Like wearing combat gear, transporting a firearm; the drills, the feeling of being in a platoon. When we write each other, still, we sign off, “73-32 forever.” That was the name of our platoon, 73-32. In my first two months in the army, I did everything I’d never done. I smoked my first joint, I got drunk and vomited in the grass. I had my first experiences with men, which were more of a study in anatomy. And I had my first experiences with women. I never questioned my sexuality after that. I was just happy it was clear to me.

By 1974, [some women from the platoon] would go to the gay clubs in Montreal. I’d take my 1972 red and black Ford Maverick and we’d go to Chez Madame Arthur and Babyface. That’s when the Special Investigations Unit (SIU) started gathering information on us and officers started interrogating some of us. We lived in fear, until we were sent to CFB Borden in Ontario to learn English. We’d started going out to the clubs in Toronto, which was just a 40-minute drive away. Imagine, Toronto, a big anonymous city, we weren’t worried about anything anymore.

I was sent to study to become an army electrician, but that didn’t work out and they sent me to an in-between platoon. It’s where they sent you when you’d failed a test or you were injured. We should have known why that one was run by an officer with a rank too high for the job. He reeked of alcohol. On Mondays, he’d pick a girl to do administrative chores for him. He’d take you to a little room with a shower behind his office. I don’t know how many of us he raped. All I remember hearing, now, is, “I’ll show you what a man is.” I had just accepted the unacceptable, that that’s how it was in the army. Eventually, someone must have spoken up because, in 1977, the SIU asked me about it. I told the officer it was all true. I don’t know what the outcome was. I never spoke about it again until last year.

In the meantime, I’d found out they were going to allow women to apply for military police positions. I did as soon as I could. When the personnel selection officer told me you need to be 5’6”, I said, “I’m 5’4”, take your decorations off and meet me in the parking lot. I’ll show you if I can be military police.” He laughed and said with that kind of response, he couldn’t not recommend me for the job.

After six months of on-the-job military police training in Borden, I was sent for training with the intelligence unit. I was one of three women out of 27. It was the hardest work I’d ever done.

Two weeks before I graduated, they kidnapped me. Kidnapped, that’s what it was—and I demanded that it be one of the words used in Trudeau’s apology. They put me in the back of a car. I said, “Excuse me, what’s going on?” and they yelled, “Shut up!” and drove, and drove on dirt roads in the woods until we arrived at a heavily guarded barrack.

They led me into a small room with a bright light shining in my face. When I say war prisoner, that’s how it felt. For hours, two tall Anglais SIU officers shouted at me, pointed at me. “We know you’re gay, admit it, you’re a lesbian.” They even asked me stuff like, “Who’s the male in your couple when you’re having sex?” They wanted me to give them names of my friends, but I never cracked.

I didn’t hear anything for two weeks. On the day of my graduation, our superiors were finally nice to us. “You’re tough, Laperle,” they’d say. My parents had driven from Montreal. Then the Warrant Officer came to get me. I remember telling my dad, “It must be some paper I forgot to sign. I’ll be right back.” But there they were, the two SIU officers who’d interrogated me two weeks before, in the entrance of the building. The Warrant Officer reasoned with them. “Whoa, whoa, whoa, it’s her graduation day and she’s not going anywhere.”

I was posted as a military police officer in London, Ont., at the Royal Canadian Regiment there. But there was word of more interrogations. I couldn’t sleep, I started having stomach problems I still have until this day.

I loved my job, but I couldn’t stand the pressure anymore. I started the process of getting discharged. I was given a date at the end of September 1978 for my liberation. I began applying within London’s civilian police, where I had contacts. But the end came early, Jan. 12, 1978. The captain said, “Cpl. Laperle, this interview can be very short and very easy, or it can be very long and very hard.” I crossed my arms and said, “Bring it.”

He read me the last month of my life, everything I’d done, every single day, everywhere I’d been. They’d followed me to the bars in Toronto, where I’d go one weekend every month as a reward to myself for my hard work. I began to cry and next thing I knew I was in a car on my way to a mental institution. By the time I realized where I was, I was given a shot and dressed in white pyjamas. I was there for two months until the army finally approved my dismissal. I went back to the base to pick up my stuff and my car. My military police partner escorted me to the gate and scratched the parking sticker off my windshield. And that was it. For 35 years, I was mad at myself for having cried that day.

What was left? I went home to Charlemagne. When my dad found out what happened, he said, “Out!” For days, I slept in my car, parked across from Babyface in Montreal. I found a room to rent in Longueuil and started working odd jobs. I caught shoplifters at a department store. I worked security at the airport in Dorval. I stacked boxes at an office supplies store. I had so much rage inside. I was untenable, I picked fights and exploded at small inconveniences. I didn’t see my father for another 15 years.

In 2014—after having re-applied to the army in the late 1980s and early 1990s and having been discharged again—I snapped. I couldn’t live with it all anymore. My partner had left because I’d become unbearable. (We’ve been together for 25 years now; we’ve been through hell together.) Since, I’ve been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder, but at the time, I had no support, I hadn’t spoken about anything. So, I woke up one morning that November, I went to the bridge here in Shannon and I said, “I can’t do it anymore.” I was at retirement age without any money because I hadn’t had a career. I was never able to apply to become a police officer because the SIU officers told us, “Don’t even try … because your crime will be revealed.”


Lucie Laperle

I must have been there an hour and I couldn’t do it. I hopped in my car and went straight to Veterans Affairs. I said I needed help now. They saw me and, within a week, I was set up with a psychologist and psychiatrist. I have been compensated. But all I wanted was for the government to tell me, “Yes, it’s true, what happened to you.” I wanted to be acknowledged, I wanted my veteran ID card and I wanted my Canadian Decoration medal for 12 years of service (I’m short of that by less than 100 days). It’s all I’m missing.

The satisfaction of sitting there in Ottawa… I didn’t think I’d hear it before I die. We felt at home in Parliament. I joked that it had never been so gay. Some of us got to meet the Prime Minister afterwards. I spoke with him for a good 20 minutes, told him what happened to me. He took me in his arms (he’s really tall) and said, “I am so sorry.” I could see he really meant it. I said, “I’ve been waiting for this for 40 years,” that’s when I started bawling.

I’m happy. The apology was well-done. After crying and telling him my story, I said to Justin: “Tell your wife I say hi. I think she’s pretty cute.” We both burst out laughing.

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/all-i-wanted-was-for-the-government-to-say-yes-its-true/

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Post by Cal07 on Sun 22 Apr 2018, 7:32 pm

Canadian government and former federal employees reach settlement in 'gay purge'

CBC News · Posted: Apr 21, 2018


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