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Post by Trooper on Thu 23 Nov 2017, 6:52 pm



MURRAY CRAWFORD --- Nov. 23, 2017

Veterans are crying foul after an alleged faker posed as a former U.S. Marine at two Red Deer schools during their Remembrance Day services.

The Legion typically provides the local school districts with veterans to be part of the ceremony. On Nov. 8, Peter Toth attended ceremonies at St. Francis of Assisi Middle School and G.W. Smith Elementary School dressed in a U.S. Marine Corps uniform.

Bev Hanes, president of the Red Deer Legion, said an investigation into the incident is ongoing and an update may come later as they verify his credentials.

“We do ask them for certain documentation,” said Hanes. “What we got, what looked to us, looked legitimate enough. If people are making forgeries, it’s very difficult for us to check them out.”

The credentials and claims of service are now being investigated.



Stolen Valour Canada, an organization that aims to expose unlawful use of military uniforms or certificates, posted a conversation they had with Toth about his service record.

They point out several inconsistencies between what he said, his service record, his medals and dates and timelines.

In an email, John Lilyea, a retired US Army Sgt. First Class and founder of the website This Ain’t Hell (which works to expose people posing as veterans), said there were a number of this wrong with Toth’s claim of serving with the U.S. Marine Corps.

In a posted Facebook conversation with Toth, he says he served in two tours of duty in Iraq and two tours of duty in Afghanistan. He said he was shot in Afghanistan in 2005 where he earned a Purple Heart, an American military decoration for anyone wounded or killed while serving.

On his uniform, he wears a sniper tab on his left sleeve, however Lilyea said there’s no such thing in the Marine Corps or any other branch of the U.S. Military.

He also said he served in Kandahar province and “Hazbollah.” Hezbollah is an Islamist political party and militant group based in Lebanon.

The discharge papers he provided say he retired from the Marine Corps in 1985, 20 years before he was allegedly shot. The discharge papers have a number of inconsistencies, including a serial number, which the U.S. Marine Corps did away with in 1972, replacing it with a social security number. The year on the paper is misspelled as “ninteen hundren and eighty five.” The signatory to the discharge papers is the Commandant of the Marine Corps appears at M.W. Hagee, which could be Michael Hagee who held the role from 2003 to 2006. However in 1985, the Commandant was Paul Kelly.

“Toth claims that he was recalled to active duty for the war against terror after a 20-year absence from the military,” Lilyea wrote. “That only happens in the movies.

“Who needs an overweight 50-year-old to do the job a 20-year-old can do much better. I volunteered to back on active duty after I’d been out 12 years and the only job they offered me was that of a recruiter.”

Wearing a military uniform without lawful authority to do so is an offence under the Criminal Code of Canada.

mcrawford@reddeeradvocate.com

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Post by Nemo on Fri 24 Nov 2017, 9:18 pm

Of course he is a fake. What surprises me is why would they select him as he was apparently an American. This was Remembrance Day for Canadians. Americans have their Memorial Day. Can't convince me that an 'American' was the only one available to the school.

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Post by prawnstar on Sun 26 Nov 2017, 2:43 pm

What a friggin' joke this guy is. If you're gonna fake it at least try to fake it better. Those schools should be re-visited by a REAL soldier to explain what this faker did.

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Post by Forcell on Wed 29 Nov 2017, 2:30 pm

Veterans group lobbies complaint against man they say wore fake uniform to Remembrance Day ceremony

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Post by Accer on Thu 07 Dec 2017, 1:54 pm

Alberta man who appeared as retired U.S. marine at Remembrance Day events denounced as impostor

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Alberta man who appeared as retired U.S. marine at Remembrance Day events denounced as impostor

Post by Bruce72 on Thu 07 Dec 2017, 3:46 pm

Stolen Valour Canada says complaint has been made to the RCMP

Dan McGarvey · CBC News December 7, 2017


These two images of Peter Toth in uniform visiting schools in Red Deer, Alta., were sent to Stolen Valour Canada by a tipster who questioned authenticity of details on his uniform. (Stolen Valour Canada)

A Canadian group that investigates and exposes people falsely claiming to be veterans alleges a man who took part in Remembrance Day events at three schools in Red Deer, Alta., is an impostor who never served in the U.S. marines.

Stolen Valour Canada says Peter Toth of Red Deer took part in events at St. Francis of Assisi Middle School, G.W. Smith Elementary and Aspen Heights Elementary in November dressed in a U.S. military uniform, complete with several medals and patches.

"There's no record of Mr. Toth ever having served in the United States Marine Corps," Ian White with Stolen Valour Canada told CBC News.
A complaint has been lodged with the RCMP.

Rank, uniform, deployment dates questioned

White says his group received an anonymous tip about Toth, and that photos and verbal accounts suggest there is a lot wrong with Toth's story.

"The rank is never worn on the arm, and then various patches and things that he was wearing just weren't consistent with the narrative of being a marine, like a sniper patch, just not something the marines issue to their members," said White.

"There was a lot of things with Mr. Toth that put up red flags for us."

White says accounts he received of stories Toth delivered to children at the schools also raised alarm bells, including dates and places he claims to have served as a marine.

For example, White says he was told Toth claimed to have served in Iraq and Afghanistan, while also saying he retired in 1985 — well before those conflicts.

In a brief Facebook conversation with Toth, White says Toth told him he had served in Kandahar province in Afghanistan and "Hazzbollah." Hezzbollah is a Shia Islamist political, military and social organization in Lebanon.

White says he was also sent a discharge document by Toth that the group says is a fake, including spelling errors and a signature that doesn't match the date on the document.


A discharge document that Peter Toth sent to Stolen Valour Canada, which the group says is highly questionable, containing errors and inconsistencies, including spelling mistakes. (Stolen Valour Canada)

A discharge document that Peter Toth sent to Stolen Valour Canada, which the group says is highly questionable, containing errors and inconsistencies, including spelling mistakes. (Stolen Valour Canada)

A U.S.-based blog calledThis Ain't Hell helped Stolen Valour Canada in investigating Toth's military claims. This Ain't Hell also works to expose people pretending to be veterans and wearing military uniforms having never served.

"There is no such thing as a sniper patch, he was also wearing a POW medal, and the Defence Department here says he was never a POW in Vietnam," said veteran Jonn Lilyea, who runs the blog.

"A quick glance at his photo tells you he's lying."

Lilyea, who says his group has "busted" around 1,000 impostors over the past 10 years, says Toth's name doesn't show up on the U.S. Department of Defence's online manpower records for the dates he claims he served.

The story has some similarities to the case of Franck Gervais, a Quebec man who claimed to be a decorated soldier during Remembrance Day ceremonies at the National War Memorial in 2014.  

The Department of National Defence said Gervais, who was interviewed during a broadcast while wearing an army dress uniform with sergeant's chevrons and the cap badge of the Royal Canadian Regiment, was not a member of the Canadian Forces.


Toth pictured with a firearm in a photo posted on his Facebook page. (Peter Toth/Facebook)

CBC News tried to make contact with Toth through the same Facebook account that Stolen Valour Canada used to contact him — one of two in his name — but so far hasn't received a reply.

The Red Deer Catholic School Board told CBC News it relies on the Royal Canadian Legion to provide veterans for events and expects the legion to make the necessary checks.

Legion says it lacks resources to check for fakes

But the Royal Canadian Legion Branch No. 35 in Red Deer says it doesn't have the resources to make those checks.

"When they pass us a piece of information and we look at it, we hope they are being truthful," said Tammy Wheeler. "Verifying a U.S. military document would be very difficult for our people to do."

Wheeler acknowledged Stolen Valour Canada's investigation questioning Toth's authenticity and confirmed the incident is now with Red Deer RCMP.

Red Deer RCMP told CBC News that a complaint was made to them on Nov. 27, but couldn't confirm whether an investigation was underway.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/stolen-valour-canada-impostor-fake-soldier-peter-toth-1.4435499

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Post by Wolfman on Thu 01 Mar 2018, 5:09 pm

Alleged U.S. Military
imposter facing criminal
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By Troy Gillard (Twitter: @Troy_Gillard)

March 1, 2018


A man accused of posing as a U.S. military veteran during Remembrance Day ceremonies in Red Deer last year is now facing criminal charges.

Peter Toth, 58, faces one count under Section 419 of the Criminal Code of Canada for unlawful use of military uniforms or certificates. The case is scheduled for a brief appearance in Red Deer court tomorrow.

Toth is accused of impersonating a U.S. Military veteran by wearing attire and medals he did not actually earn to Remembrance Day ceremonies at St. Francis of Assisi Middle School, G.W. Smith Elementary and Aspen Heights Elementary last November.

Stolen Valour Canada contacted rdnewsNOW with their concerns that Toth was not as authentic as he was letting on. The group pointed out several flaws with the uniform he was wearing in pictures from the ceremonies, including wearing unauthorized camouflage and having pins and rank badges in wrong places.

“Based on our concerns, we contacted USMC experts, and they agree that this individual was likely never a Marine, and he is portraying one very poorly,” the group said at the time.

According to Stolen Valour, Toth claimed to have served in the U.S. Military in Kandahar province and in Hezbollah, which is actually a political party in Lebanon considered by several nations to be a terrorist organization.

Toth alleged he was awarded a Purple Heart in 2005 after being shot in Afghanistan. However, Stolen Valour says he previously claimed to have retired from the USMC in 1985.

Red Deer RCMP confirm they began their investigation into the allegations against Toth on Nov. 27, 2017, eventually leading to the single count against him.

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Post by Nemo on Thu 01 Mar 2018, 6:24 pm

I think he should get all his weapons seized too. He does not deserve to have any. Can't be trusted.

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Post by Wolfman on Sat 03 Mar 2018, 4:06 pm


Man accused of posing as military veteran in court


Peter Toth accused of attending school Remembrance Day
ceremony dressed as U.S. Marine


PAUL COWLEY

Mar. 2, 2018


Military veterans filled the front row in court Friday as a Red Deer man accused of posing as a U.S. Marine went before a judge.

Peter Toth, 58, is facing three charges under a section of the Criminal Code dealing with unlawful use of military uniforms or certificates. Toth is charged with unlawfully wearing a uniform, military decorations, and having in his possession a military identity card or other similar documents.

The maximum punishment for each charge is six months in jail, a $5,000 fine, or both.

Toth was charged after attending a Nov. 8, 2017, Remembrance Day ceremony at Red Deer’s St. Francis of Assisi Middle School dressed in a camouflaged medal-bedecked U.S. Marine Corps uniform.

Toth was represented by duty counsel Jackie Fry who told Red Deer provincial court Judge Gordon Yake she was working on a resolution to the charges.

The case is coming back to court on March 21.

Five military veterans sat in the front row of the courtroom gallery as Toth came before the judge.

Among them was Gord Swaitkewich, of Stolen Valour – Canada, an organization that aims to expose people posing as military personnel and veterans.

Swaitkewich said outside court that veterans feel deeply about their service and take very seriously those who falsely try to join their ranks.

“A lot of people look at 419 as a victim-less crime,” he said, referring to the section of the Criminal Code that deals with unlawfully using a uniform and similar offences.

“It is not a victim-less crime.

“Because of their lack of knowledge they give the general public a very wrong impression of what and why we do what we do and have done.

“If someone is going to be out there we want them to be truthful and accurate. (Impersonating a military member) is an insult to people who have made the ultimate sacrifice,” said Swaitkewich, who retired as an infantry lieutenant in 2003 after 35 years of service.

“We don’t want them to desecrate our brothers and sisters who have paid the ultimate sacrifice.”

Swaitkewich said he is pleased with how the

“I am very pleased with the way the RCMP dealt with it and the Crown (prosecutor),” he said.

Swaitkewich said the crime is not uncommon. At any given time, Stolen Valour is investigating around eight military imposters, he said. Some have used their fake military background to defraud people and organizations that try to assist veterans.

https://www.reddeeradvocate.com/news/man-accused-of-posing-as-military-veteran-in-court/
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Post by Alpha on Wed 21 Mar 2018, 5:25 pm

Albertan who posed as U.S.
veteran on Nov. 11 guilty of
unlawful use of uniform

Published on: March 21, 2018


RED DEER, Alta. — A man who posed as a U.S. Marine veteran during Remembrance Day ceremonies in central Alberta has pleaded guilty to unlawful use of military uniforms and medals.

A third charge against 59-year-old Peter Toth was dropped.

Toth was sentenced to 18 months of probation and 200 hours of community service.

Last November a group called Stolen Valour Canada began looking into a report of a man claiming to be a former U.S. Marine who attended ceremonies on Nov. 11 at schools in Red Deer.

A picture taken at one event shows Toth dressed in a desert camouflage uniform festooned with military medals and ribbons.

Stolen Valour officials said he was wearing rank badges in the wrong place, incorrect insignia and claimed to have been wounded in Afghanistan in 2005 despite saying he had retired from the military in 1985. (RD News Now)

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Post by Dannypaj on Thu 22 Mar 2018, 1:55 pm

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