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Post by Trooper on Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:52 pm



MURRAY CRAWFORD --- Nov. 23, 2017

Veterans are crying foul after an alleged faker posed as a former U.S. Marine at two Red Deer schools during their Remembrance Day services.

The Legion typically provides the local school districts with veterans to be part of the ceremony. On Nov. 8, Peter Toth attended ceremonies at St. Francis of Assisi Middle School and G.W. Smith Elementary School dressed in a U.S. Marine Corps uniform.

Bev Hanes, president of the Red Deer Legion, said an investigation into the incident is ongoing and an update may come later as they verify his credentials.

“We do ask them for certain documentation,” said Hanes. “What we got, what looked to us, looked legitimate enough. If people are making forgeries, it’s very difficult for us to check them out.”

The credentials and claims of service are now being investigated.



Stolen Valour Canada, an organization that aims to expose unlawful use of military uniforms or certificates, posted a conversation they had with Toth about his service record.

They point out several inconsistencies between what he said, his service record, his medals and dates and timelines.

In an email, John Lilyea, a retired US Army Sgt. First Class and founder of the website This Ain’t Hell (which works to expose people posing as veterans), said there were a number of this wrong with Toth’s claim of serving with the U.S. Marine Corps.

In a posted Facebook conversation with Toth, he says he served in two tours of duty in Iraq and two tours of duty in Afghanistan. He said he was shot in Afghanistan in 2005 where he earned a Purple Heart, an American military decoration for anyone wounded or killed while serving.

On his uniform, he wears a sniper tab on his left sleeve, however Lilyea said there’s no such thing in the Marine Corps or any other branch of the U.S. Military.

He also said he served in Kandahar province and “Hazbollah.” Hezbollah is an Islamist political party and militant group based in Lebanon.

The discharge papers he provided say he retired from the Marine Corps in 1985, 20 years before he was allegedly shot. The discharge papers have a number of inconsistencies, including a serial number, which the U.S. Marine Corps did away with in 1972, replacing it with a social security number. The year on the paper is misspelled as “ninteen hundren and eighty five.” The signatory to the discharge papers is the Commandant of the Marine Corps appears at M.W. Hagee, which could be Michael Hagee who held the role from 2003 to 2006. However in 1985, the Commandant was Paul Kelly.

“Toth claims that he was recalled to active duty for the war against terror after a 20-year absence from the military,” Lilyea wrote. “That only happens in the movies.

“Who needs an overweight 50-year-old to do the job a 20-year-old can do much better. I volunteered to back on active duty after I’d been out 12 years and the only job they offered me was that of a recruiter.”

Wearing a military uniform without lawful authority to do so is an offence under the Criminal Code of Canada.

mcrawford@reddeeradvocate.com

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Post by Nemo on Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:18 pm

Of course he is a fake. What surprises me is why would they select him as he was apparently an American. This was Remembrance Day for Canadians. Americans have their Memorial Day. Can't convince me that an 'American' was the only one available to the school.

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Post by prawnstar on Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:43 pm

What a friggin' joke this guy is. If you're gonna fake it at least try to fake it better. Those schools should be re-visited by a REAL soldier to explain what this faker did.

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Post by Forcell on Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:30 pm

Veterans group lobbies complaint against man they say wore fake uniform to Remembrance Day ceremony

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Post by Accer on Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:54 pm

Alberta man who appeared as retired U.S. marine at Remembrance Day events denounced as impostor

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Alberta man who appeared as retired U.S. marine at Remembrance Day events denounced as impostor

Post by Bruce72 on Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:46 pm

Stolen Valour Canada says complaint has been made to the RCMP

Dan McGarvey · CBC News December 7, 2017


These two images of Peter Toth in uniform visiting schools in Red Deer, Alta., were sent to Stolen Valour Canada by a tipster who questioned authenticity of details on his uniform. (Stolen Valour Canada)

A Canadian group that investigates and exposes people falsely claiming to be veterans alleges a man who took part in Remembrance Day events at three schools in Red Deer, Alta., is an impostor who never served in the U.S. marines.

Stolen Valour Canada says Peter Toth of Red Deer took part in events at St. Francis of Assisi Middle School, G.W. Smith Elementary and Aspen Heights Elementary in November dressed in a U.S. military uniform, complete with several medals and patches.

"There's no record of Mr. Toth ever having served in the United States Marine Corps," Ian White with Stolen Valour Canada told CBC News.
A complaint has been lodged with the RCMP.

Rank, uniform, deployment dates questioned

White says his group received an anonymous tip about Toth, and that photos and verbal accounts suggest there is a lot wrong with Toth's story.

"The rank is never worn on the arm, and then various patches and things that he was wearing just weren't consistent with the narrative of being a marine, like a sniper patch, just not something the marines issue to their members," said White.

"There was a lot of things with Mr. Toth that put up red flags for us."

White says accounts he received of stories Toth delivered to children at the schools also raised alarm bells, including dates and places he claims to have served as a marine.

For example, White says he was told Toth claimed to have served in Iraq and Afghanistan, while also saying he retired in 1985 — well before those conflicts.

In a brief Facebook conversation with Toth, White says Toth told him he had served in Kandahar province in Afghanistan and "Hazzbollah." Hezzbollah is a Shia Islamist political, military and social organization in Lebanon.

White says he was also sent a discharge document by Toth that the group says is a fake, including spelling errors and a signature that doesn't match the date on the document.


A discharge document that Peter Toth sent to Stolen Valour Canada, which the group says is highly questionable, containing errors and inconsistencies, including spelling mistakes. (Stolen Valour Canada)

A discharge document that Peter Toth sent to Stolen Valour Canada, which the group says is highly questionable, containing errors and inconsistencies, including spelling mistakes. (Stolen Valour Canada)

A U.S.-based blog calledThis Ain't Hell helped Stolen Valour Canada in investigating Toth's military claims. This Ain't Hell also works to expose people pretending to be veterans and wearing military uniforms having never served.

"There is no such thing as a sniper patch, he was also wearing a POW medal, and the Defence Department here says he was never a POW in Vietnam," said veteran Jonn Lilyea, who runs the blog.

"A quick glance at his photo tells you he's lying."

Lilyea, who says his group has "busted" around 1,000 impostors over the past 10 years, says Toth's name doesn't show up on the U.S. Department of Defence's online manpower records for the dates he claims he served.

The story has some similarities to the case of Franck Gervais, a Quebec man who claimed to be a decorated soldier during Remembrance Day ceremonies at the National War Memorial in 2014.  

The Department of National Defence said Gervais, who was interviewed during a broadcast while wearing an army dress uniform with sergeant's chevrons and the cap badge of the Royal Canadian Regiment, was not a member of the Canadian Forces.


Toth pictured with a firearm in a photo posted on his Facebook page. (Peter Toth/Facebook)

CBC News tried to make contact with Toth through the same Facebook account that Stolen Valour Canada used to contact him — one of two in his name — but so far hasn't received a reply.

The Red Deer Catholic School Board told CBC News it relies on the Royal Canadian Legion to provide veterans for events and expects the legion to make the necessary checks.

Legion says it lacks resources to check for fakes

But the Royal Canadian Legion Branch No. 35 in Red Deer says it doesn't have the resources to make those checks.

"When they pass us a piece of information and we look at it, we hope they are being truthful," said Tammy Wheeler. "Verifying a U.S. military document would be very difficult for our people to do."

Wheeler acknowledged Stolen Valour Canada's investigation questioning Toth's authenticity and confirmed the incident is now with Red Deer RCMP.

Red Deer RCMP told CBC News that a complaint was made to them on Nov. 27, but couldn't confirm whether an investigation was underway.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/stolen-valour-canada-impostor-fake-soldier-peter-toth-1.4435499

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