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Fighter Jets
Canada takes first official step to buying used
fighter jets from Australia
David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Oct 10, 2017
fighter jets from Australia
David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Oct 10, 2017
The Liberal government had wanted to buy 18 Super Hornet fighter jets
but that plan was derailed when Boeing filed a trade complaint against
Bombardier
but that plan was derailed when Boeing filed a trade complaint against
Bombardier
Canada has taken the first official step to purchasing used fighter jets from Australia as its dispute with Boeing continues unresolved.
The Canadian government has now submitted a formal expression of interest to Australia to acquire the aircraft, Public Services and Procurement Canada confirmed.
Canada began discussions in late August with the Australian government to assess the potential purchase of used F/A-18 fighter aircraft from that country.
“On Sept. 29, 2017, Canada submitted an expression of interest, formally marking Canada’s interest in the Australian equipment,” Public Services and Procurement Canada announced in a new statement. “Canada expects to receive a response by the end of this year that will provide details regarding the availability and cost of the aircraft and associated parts that Canada is considering.”
The Australian jets are being considered as interim fighters. They would supplement Canada’s existing CF-18 fleet until a new aircraft could be acquired.
The move to try to acquire fighter jets from Australia coincides with the U.S. government’s decision, based on a Boeing complaint, to hit Bombardier with almost 300 per cent duties on its CSeries civilian passenger jet.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is expected to bring up the Boeing complaint and duties with U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday.
The Liberal government had wanted to buy 18 Super Hornet fighter jets but that plan was derailed when the jet’s manufacturer, Boeing, filed the trade complaint in April against Bombardier of Quebec over its civilian passenger jets.
Boeing complained to the U.S. government that Bombardier was receiving subsidies, which in turn allowed it to sell its C-Series civilian passenger aircraft at below-market prices.
The U.S. ruled in favour of the American aerospace giant and as a result, Bombardier will face duties of almost 300 per cent.
That move by Boeing, however, scuttled the Super Hornet deal and prompted Canada to look elsewhere for jets.
Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan recently said that Canada has looked at surplus fighter jets from Kuwait but those are not available at this time. He acknowledged Canada is now focused on the Australian jets.
“We are going to be moving ahead with filling that capability gap,” Sajjan noted. “We are pursuing other options.”
The Liberals have said they will eventually buy 88 new jets to replace the CF-18s.
Trudeau has said Boeing can forget about selling fighter jets to Canada as long as it tries to undercut thousands of Canadian jobs with its ongoing trade complaint against a Quebec aerospace firm.
“We won’t do business with a company that is busy trying to sue us and put our aerospace workers out of business,” Trudeau said.
Boeing’s complaint has also drawn the ire of the government in the United Kingdom.
Parts of the C-Series are built in Northern Ireland.
The U.K.’s prime minister, Theresa May, has raised the issue with Trump. She has also warned that Boeing’s actions are jeopardizing future defence contracts with the U.K.
Marc Allen, Boeing’s president of international business, has said the company wanted to ensure a level playing field in the aerospace industry. He said Boeing believes that global trade only works if everyone plays by the same rules. That wasn’t the case for Bombardier, he added.
Boeing on Tuesday launched an advertising campaign to raise awareness of the company’s presence and annual impact on the nation’s economy.
Boeing’s critics point out it receives billions of dollars of subsidies from the U.S. government. Boeing is trying to undercut Bombardier, a potential competitor, Canadian government and industry officials say.
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Australian fighter jets for Canada? The official process has begun
Australian fighter jets for Canada? The official process has begun
October 10, 2017
I have a new update at the National Post on the potential purchase by Canada of used Australian fighter jets.
Canada has taken the first official step to purchasing used F/A-18 aircraft from Australia as its dispute with Boeing continues unresolved.
You can read the article here: http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/canada-takes-first-official-step-to-buying-used-fighter-jets-from-australia
Canada expects a response from Australia by the end of the year but sources say this proposed acquisition could move fairly quickly.
And it doesn’t appear Boeing is backing down from its trade complaint against Bombardier.
Stay tuned.
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/australian-fighter-jets-for-canada-the-official-process-has-begun
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Will an Airbus alliance with Bombardier pave the way for Canada to purchase Eurofighter?
Will an Airbus alliance with Bombardier pave the way for Canada to purchase Eurofighter?
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/will-an-airbus-alliance-with-bombardier-pave-the-way-for-canada-to-purchase-eurofighter
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CF-18s flying until 2030 or beyond?
CF-18s flying until 2030 or beyond?
DAVID PUGLIESE, OTTAWA CITIZEN
Published on: November 1, 2017 | Last Updated: November 1, 2017 8:36 AM EDT
Some sources in industry as well as at the Department of National Defence are now suggesting that the country’s CF-18 fleet could be flying until 2030.
Why?
The purchase of interim Super Hornets from Boeing is stalled, if not dead in the water. That is the result of Boeing’s decision to go after Bombardier on its C-Series commercial aircraft and the resulting duties from the U.S. of almost 300 per cent.
The potential acquisition of fighter aircraft from Australia is a possibility. But that won’t happen overnight. Australia will respond by the end of December but that is just the beginning of the process, if it does proceed.
The CF-18s will be upgraded to allow them to keep flying to at least 2025.
But even Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan has acknowledged in the past that the planes could remain in the air much longer. In November 2016 on CBC Radio’s As It Happens, Sajjan said the jets might be required to keep flying until 2032. (And that was before the issues emerged with the purchase of interim Super Hornets from Boeing).
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/cf-18s-flying-until-2030-or-beyond
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Canada's swipe at Boeing jets could open way for European rivals
David Ljunggren --- Dec 06, 2017
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada’s decision to shun Boeing Co (BA.N) jets could open the way for European rivals seeking to supply new fighters, assuming the government can sort out major procurement challenges, three sources familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.
Canada is scrapping a plan to buy 18 Boeing Super Hornet planes and will instead opt for a second-hand fleet of Australian jets, sources told Reuters on Tuesday.
Boeing’s future military sales in Canada are in question after the U.S. defense firm launched a trade challenge against Canadian planemaker Bombardier Inc (BBDb.TO).
But - in what the sources said was a worst-case scenario - a government angry at Boeing and unconvinced by other U.S. options may end up facing off against a Canadian air force that dislikes the idea of a European jet.
“This is a real mess,” said one person familiar with official procurement policy.
The Super Hornets were supposed to help tide Canada over as it holds a competition for fighters to replace 77 veteran CF-18s.
Canadian defense sources say the air force - seeking to maintain close ties with its U.S. counterpart - has long preferred a U.S. jet, which would narrow the race to the Super Hornet or Lockheed Martin Corp’s (LMT.N) F-35 stealth fighter.
But Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is not a fan of the F-35 and the Boeing spat means officials are prepared to look at rivals such as the Eurofighter Typhoon (AIR.PA) (BAES.L) (LDOF.MI) and Dassault Aviation SA’s (AVMD.PA) Rafale jet, say the sources, who asked to remain anonymous given the sensitivity of the situation.
Boeing has declined to comment until the government makes an announcement.
If Canada went for the Typhoon or the Rafale, it would have to decide whether to use U.S. weapons or buy European armaments systems and integrate them with those used by U.S. forces.
An added complication is that the United States and Canada belong to an elite intelligence-sharing network and it is unclear if they would allow Europeans to access sensitive data.
One defense expert noted that Britain, Germany and Italy intend to operate both the F-35 and the Eurofighter, evidence that Canada could buy the European jet and still operate with U.S. air force F-35s.
Although Canada will extend the lifespan of some CF-18s to 2025 to cover the introduction of the new fighters, Canadian Global Affairs Institute defense analyst David Perry on Wednesday predicted Ottawa would keep the old planes in service for longer than planned and drag out the competition.
https://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKBN1E02T0-OCATP
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada’s decision to shun Boeing Co (BA.N) jets could open the way for European rivals seeking to supply new fighters, assuming the government can sort out major procurement challenges, three sources familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.
Canada is scrapping a plan to buy 18 Boeing Super Hornet planes and will instead opt for a second-hand fleet of Australian jets, sources told Reuters on Tuesday.
Boeing’s future military sales in Canada are in question after the U.S. defense firm launched a trade challenge against Canadian planemaker Bombardier Inc (BBDb.TO).
But - in what the sources said was a worst-case scenario - a government angry at Boeing and unconvinced by other U.S. options may end up facing off against a Canadian air force that dislikes the idea of a European jet.
“This is a real mess,” said one person familiar with official procurement policy.
The Super Hornets were supposed to help tide Canada over as it holds a competition for fighters to replace 77 veteran CF-18s.
Canadian defense sources say the air force - seeking to maintain close ties with its U.S. counterpart - has long preferred a U.S. jet, which would narrow the race to the Super Hornet or Lockheed Martin Corp’s (LMT.N) F-35 stealth fighter.
But Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is not a fan of the F-35 and the Boeing spat means officials are prepared to look at rivals such as the Eurofighter Typhoon (AIR.PA) (BAES.L) (LDOF.MI) and Dassault Aviation SA’s (AVMD.PA) Rafale jet, say the sources, who asked to remain anonymous given the sensitivity of the situation.
Boeing has declined to comment until the government makes an announcement.
If Canada went for the Typhoon or the Rafale, it would have to decide whether to use U.S. weapons or buy European armaments systems and integrate them with those used by U.S. forces.
An added complication is that the United States and Canada belong to an elite intelligence-sharing network and it is unclear if they would allow Europeans to access sensitive data.
One defense expert noted that Britain, Germany and Italy intend to operate both the F-35 and the Eurofighter, evidence that Canada could buy the European jet and still operate with U.S. air force F-35s.
Although Canada will extend the lifespan of some CF-18s to 2025 to cover the introduction of the new fighters, Canadian Global Affairs Institute defense analyst David Perry on Wednesday predicted Ottawa would keep the old planes in service for longer than planned and drag out the competition.
https://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKBN1E02T0-OCATP
Re: Fighter Jets
The MP Panel discusses the reported purchase of used fighter jets and the status of the MMIWG inquiry.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1278840
http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1278840
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Re: Fighter Jets
Ottawa to buy Aussie jets, tweak process
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ottawa-to-buy-aussie-jets-tweak-process/ar-BBGEHub?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartandhp
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/ottawa-to-buy-aussie-jets-tweak-process/ar-BBGEHub?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartandhp
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Re: Fighter Jets
Jets and vets
Published:
December 31, 2017
A Canadian CF-18 pilot prepares to take off, as a member of the ground crew pedals his bicycle past the jet in Qatar, January 20, 1991 during the Gulf War. The Trudeau government is adding a new requirement to how it picks the winners of major military contracts by assessing a company's overall impact on the Canadian economy.
PETER MACKAY, Special to the Toronto Sun
Over two years ago in the general election, the Trudeau Liberals promised a great deal for Canada’s military and for veterans.
A new era of open, transparent procurement was promised to replace the aging CF-18 fighter jet fleet. That included a solemn vow to not buy the Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighter, committed to by the previous Conservative government, because said breathlessly by the PM at the time” the plane doesn’t work and won’t work.” Yet, currently six countries have taken delivery of over 300 F-35s and another six have committed to do so.
The previous $9-billion deal for 65 F-35s announced by the Harper Government in 2012 was savaged by opposition, media and ultimately cratered by the auditor general, who used an entirely new metric of life cycle costing over a much extended period of 45 years to inflate the number and spook the public.
Canada would be taking delivery of those aircraft next year had it proceeded.
A Canadian Forces members look at the Lockheed Martin Joint Strike Fighter, F-35 Lighting II in a hanger in Ottawa Friday July 16, 2010. The Peter MacKay, Minister of National Defence announced that the government of Canada will buy 65 of these Joint Strike fighters and they are expected to be delivered in 2016.
Recently, in a do-over announcement of a process that will add years and involve the outlay of $19-billion (not using life cycle costing) to purchase the permanent replacement for the CF-18 fleet, a new caveat was added.
The new, open and transparent process for selecting the winning replacement jet may not….wait for it… include Boeing this time. Here we go again.
The proposed 88 new jets delivered sometime post-2025, will not be purchased from a company causing “economic harm” to Canada (read: Bombardier) or which can’t be viewed as a “trusted partner.”
Curiously, just a few months ago, Canada had pretty well sealed a deal to purchase 18 “interim” Super Hornet fighter jets from Boeing. That was before the Trudeau government hit the brakes on the purchase because of a trade dispute between Boeing and Bombardier, saying that it wouldn’t go through, as Boeing could no longer be considered a “trusted partner.”
Peter MacKay, Minister of National Defence takes part in a press conference to the military and media announcing Canada will be acquiring the Lockheed Martin Joint Strike Fighter F-35 Lighting II Friday July 16, 2010 in Ottawa. The government of Canada will buy 65 of these Joint Strike fighters and they are expected to be delivered in 2016.
Bombardier has, in the meantime, inked an agreement with Airbus to build at least part of the C-Series at the Alabama Airbus plant, while the dumping case against Bombardier is proceeding. Not sure, given how much taxpayer money has flowed to Bombardier recently, that we have emerged on the winning side of this transaction, but I digress.
The Federal government will now reverse its announcement of just a few months ago to buy 18 new Super Hornets from Boeing and, instead, buy used Boeing F-18 Hornets from Australia, relying on a made up capability gap, which no one in the Royal Canadian Air Force really believes to be true.
Lt.-Gen. Mike Hood, commander of the RCAF, testified to the fact there was none before a parliamentary committee a year ago. The former Chief of the Defence Staff General Tom Lawson, said he would prefer to get on with the process for a permanent replacement now and forego the interim process.
Peter MacKay, Minister of National Defence speaks to the military and media as he announces Canada will be acquiring the Lockheed Martin Joint Strike Fighter F-35 Lighting II Friday July 16, 2010 in Ottawa. Next to Minister MacKay is Minster Tony Clement. The government of Canada will buy 65 of these Joint Strike fighters and they are expected to be delivered in 2016.
The defence minister, contradicting the general on the gap and himself said recently, that “we don’t need to buy used equipment, we need new aircraft.”
All this clatter provides a convenient out and a solution to a problem created by Liberal double-speak in the last campaign. After two years trying to square the circle of two contradictory promises — an “open” competition and one which excludes the best aircraft, the F-35 stealth fighter, Australia provided an opportune solution to the self-inflicted wound and unnecessary answer to the non-existent capability gap — surplus F-18 fighters that Australia is replacing with the F-35 stealth fighters, the same ones that our PM claims don’t work. All very confusing.
And all very troubling to RCAF pilots, technicians and their families. Which is why so many are leaving the service.
These politically motivated decisions and delays will indeed lead to a capability gap, a real one with souring costs. The Liberal credibility gap between what they say and do leaves the Forces without vital equipment.
A CF-188 Hornet from the Canadian Air Task Force Lithuania perform manoeuvres over Lithuania on September 15, 2014 for the NATO Baltic Air Policing Block 36 during Operation REASSURANCE.
This is all to familiar as it is eerily similar to the political mangling of the EH101 contract by the Chretien Liberals after the 1993 election. No “Cadillac helicopters,” he proclaimed for our brave pilots and crew performing courageous lifesaving acts of rescue over the frigid oceans on our coasts.
That clanger cost taxpayers over half a billion dollars in cancellation fees with the fleet still not fully replaced and ongoing wrangling with the ensuing winner (Sikorski) of the new re-styled contract. And then, there were the used submarines bought in that same era and the saga that followed. There is a troubling pattern of behaviour with Liberals and defence.
A similar sad story line applies to promises made to veterans in relation to abandoning litigation involving disability payments and the reintroduction of lifelong pensions for disabled members of the Canadian Armed Forces. The original change was engineered by the previous Liberal Government in 2005. The return to the old system of lifelong pensions has been delayed again, leaving many veterans skeptical of what is coming — perhaps just adding a few dollars to the lump sum disability payment and then spreading that money out over the rest of the veteran’s life, based on actuarial tables.
A simple cost-effective and timely solution to helping disabled veterans with livable pensions, would be to forego the $500 million plus upgrades about to be forked out to Australia for 18 aging F-18 fighters, and just take the pool of money saved and fund disabled veterans.
Add the fact that, with an immediate fighter replacement competition, the RCAF would have its permanent replacement much sooner than 2025. This would surely receive the support of Canadian taxpayers and be viewed as a far more principled path forward. This entirely unprincipled and politically motivated gong show should be a non-starter.
Hopefully, in the New Year, the House of Commons Defence Committee can examine this mess and explore sensible solutions (i.e. an immediate competition which will very likely be won by the F-35, just as it has won every other competition.)
Then, get on with the actual implementation and fulfil our commitments to our citizens and our allies.
Peter MacKay is a former Conservative national defence minister.
http://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/guest-column-jets-and-vets
RCAF future fighter program
RCAF future fighter program – policy on attrition aircraft to be decided later
DAVID PUGLIESE, OTTAWA CITIZEN
Published on: May 1, 2018
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Published on: May 1, 2018
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RCAF future fighter program – trying to factor in attrition aircraft
RCAF future fighter program – trying to factor in attrition aircraft
DAVID PUGLIESE, OTTAWA CITIZEN
Published on: May 10, 2018
DAVID PUGLIESE, OTTAWA CITIZEN
Published on: May 10, 2018
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F-35 on the chopping block in the UK
Reports say F-35 on the chopping block in the UK – more Eurofighter Typhoons to be purchased instead
DAVID PUGLIESE, OTTAWA CITIZEN
Published on: May 23, 2018
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First 2 Australian fighter jets to be in Canada next year but no word yet on final cost
Procurement minister Carla Qualtrough said at the CANSEC military equipment trade show last week that she expects the first two used Australian F-18s to be delivered in 2019.
DAVID PUGLIESE, OTTAWA CITIZEN / June 4, 2018
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Re: Fighter Jets
WOW now Trudeau can "whip out" a bigger F-18 for deployment!
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