Pistols dangerously unreliable

by Zapper Mon 10 Dec 2018, 12:16 pm

Canada's WWII-era pistols dangerously
unreliable — but the quest to find a replacement
drags on

Tristin Hopper
Publishing date: Dec 10, 2018

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadas-wwii-era-pistols-dangerously-unreliable-but-the-quest-to-find-a-replacement-drags-on

by Guest Mon 10 Dec 2018, 3:48 pm

Good grief. Why doesn't the government just purchase the Model 92 Beretta? It's a fine service pistol from a quality small arms producer.

by **Rockarm** Mon 10 Dec 2018, 5:10 pm

"Before events had even officially kicked off, 15 of those pistols had jammed so badly during the warmup they couldn’t be used."

The problem with the Canadian Forces is we have excellent soldiers who are truly competent in the service they provide, it's the top who are making decisions based on political wishes. First off when I served I would never send anyone out for any event representing our Forces without being certain the soldiers were ready, and well equipped to do the job. If the equipment was not up to par I would have cancelled the event to not only save the embarrassment of the soldiers, but Canada as well. Our top decision makers are on a very short leash from our politicians, I get that, but they have budget funds allotted to them. It is here where the top has to make their decisions or in some cases recommendations. Very simple, the top needs get a grip on it's equipment to enable our forces to do their jobs. If the funds are not available or equipment is outdated or no longer able to function properly, don't send our soldiers in harms way, or to events that embarrasses us all. How complicated is that?

by **Newf** Mon 10 Dec 2018, 5:44 pm

When I worked up North with the RCMP, our 9mm Smith and Wesson would freeze up in the cold weather all the time. Scary stuff! They sidearms would really freeze up bad when conducting a snowmobile patrol with your duty belt exposed. We ended up using a graphite lock deicer and/or putting the sidearm inside you coat pocket to prevent this problem.

Hopefully, pistols will be tested in extreme cold before any purchases are made.

Newf

by **Accer** Wed 12 Dec 2018, 1:25 pm

COMMENTARY: Canada’s military procurement legacy somehow gets even stupider

By Matt Gurney
Radio Host Global News
December 12, 2018

If you’re feeling particularly lazy today, you can basically get the full benefit of this column by just finishing the next fragment of a sentence: the Canadian government is epically screwing up yet another military procurement and we should all be ashamed of ourselves for letting it happen.

Seriously. That’s it. If you’re slammed for time, you can move on. The rest of what’s about to follow is just maddening detail.

If you’re still here, you must be interested in our military and our constant, enduring, humiliating inability to properly equip it. There’s just one of these disgraces after another. Over the last decade, I’ve written about them, over and over. There’s our ongoing utter inability to replace our CF-18 fleet. There’s the Navy supply ship omnishambles. There’s the logistics trucks debacle. There’s half a dozen others. It’s bad.

But pistols? Pistols?! This is pathetic. And we’re pathetic for tolerating it. Truly. After a decade, I’ve basically run out of more sophisticated arguments. We have a bad government but, hey, that’s OK, because we deserve it, and we will until we force the government to do better.

Tristin Hopper, a National Post reporter, did the heavy lifting on this story. The Canadian military has been using Browning Hi-Power pistols as its primary sidearm since the Second World War. Canada built thousands of them during the war, more than we ended up needing, and we’ve been using them ever since. The Hi-Power was a fine pistol back in the 1940s, and a new, properly maintained one is still an effective firearm today (they only went out of production last year). But Canada’s literally date back 70-some-odd years. They’re beaten up, rusted out and failing.

This is a big gosh-darned problem. A pistol is a soldier’s weapon of last resort. A 9mm is a short-range, relatively low-power weapon. But it can be operated with one hand and in confined spaces. In other words, it’s what you use to defend yourself if everything else has failed and the enemy is right on top of you. Any time a Canadian soldier is reaching for a pistol it’s because that 9mm is the only remaining thing between them and eternity.

And they don’t [expletive deleted] work!

WATCH BELOW: PM Trudeau discusses ‘messy’ procurement process for Canada’s fighter jets

Hopper’s National Post piece, itself citing Canadian Army Today, recounts a recent pistol shooting tournament for allied militaries hosted by the United States Armed Forces. The Canadian Army team brought 20 pistols. Fifteen of them failed utterly and were withdrawn before the tournament even began. The entire Canadian contingent had to use the remaining five. And these are our best pistol marksmen — guys who know their weapons intimately and know how to take care of them. Even they couldn’t prevent a 75 per cent failure rate. The Canadian pistols jammed, on average, every 62 rounds. The British delegation, meanwhile, fired over 5,000 shots without a single jam.

The need to replace the pistols is obvious. We’ve been scrapping some, turning them into spare parts, for years already. The Canadian military thinks it needs perhaps as many as 25,000. That would be enough for everyone who needs them, plus a comfortable reserve cushion. And they think they can have them … in 2026. Ten years after the replacement process officially began.

This is absolutely insane. A lot of military technology is highly specialized and specific. But pistol manufacturers are basically a dime-a-dozen. Police forces routinely buy pistols. The civilian market alone provides enough demand for pistols. The manufacturing capability exists. Today. If you have a licence, as I do, you can walk into a Canadian gun store and buy a pistol, for a reasonable price, that will almost certainly be in stock. And if not, there’s always more coming from the manufacturers.

There is no economic, military or industrial reason that the Canadian government needs until 2026 to buy these guns. There’s not really even a political reason — the cost of this procurement is relatively low, pocket change for even a small military like Canada’s. The only reason we can’t get this done almost right away is simply because the Canadian government absolutely sucks at procurement. We are just woefully and irredeemably inept.

And I can prove it. It’s rare that two nations will ever be doing virtually an identical procurement, in virtually identical circumstances. But that’s actually happened here, allowing a direct comparison to be made. Five years ago, the British Armed Forces also realized they needed to replace their 9mm pistols (also Browning Hi-Powers, to boot). They also decided they needed 25,000 of them. And they went out and got them … in two years.

That’s it. The entire process, from deciding “We should get new pistols” to “Here’s your new Glock, ole chap” was two years. Canada has scheduled a full decade for nearly identical program, and it will almost certainly run long. I say again: Canada plans on spending five times more time buying its next pistol than the British spent buying theirs.

It’s unnecessary. It’s inexcusable. It’s pathetic. And it’s entirely routine. Your tax dollars at work, folks. Are you feeling angry yet?

Matt Gurney is host of The Exchange with Matt Gurney on Global News Radio 640 Toronto and a columnist for Global News.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4753482/canada-military-pistols/

by **Navigator** Mon 24 Dec 2018, 9:34 am

Gov’t should be embarrassed about army’s pistol situation

BY LETTER TO THE EDITOR ON DECEMBER 24, 2018.

While the mandarins and top brass in Ottawa are slithering around town in brand new bulletproof illegally tinted luxury Escalades with an assigned driver and a bodyguard, the Canadian Armed Forces shooting team shares five somewhat reliable pistols out of 20 74-year-old clunkers, which were used by their grandfathers in the Second World War.

It is obviously embarrassing to the government or else Justin Trudeau would be there having his picture taken with the team. I guess priorities depend on who decides the priority and holds the purse strings.

Trudeau estimates it will be 2026 before the army gets a new pistol. The British army resolved this same issue in less than 24 months and $15 million. Go figure: Canada Procurement wants $50 million for an unknown number and no movement in two years.

Sheesh!

Ian Parkinson

Medicine Hat

https://medicinehatnews.com/commentary/letters-to-the-editor/2018/12/24/govt-should-be-embarrassed-about-armys-pistol-situation/

by Seawolf Wed 23 Sep 2020, 4:13 pm

Project to buy new pistols for Canadian Forces is once again underway

Author of the article:David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date:Sep 23, 2020