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Post by Trooper Mon 13 Nov 2017, 8:47 pm

Bob Grant - Aaron gave an update on Equitas and how it nearly ended due to some self serving individuals which is something I didn't know. It is still going forward and if the so called big pension announcement in December is not as big as it needs to be then the plaintiffs will have the abeyance lifted and have the lawsuit pushed forward. Aaron also explained that there may be a couple reasons the 3 supreme court judges who are making the decision on the lawsuit going forward haven't already done so. There are a few constitutional challenges that may be slowing the decision and It might also be that they may be waiting to see if the government is going to sort things out to the satisfaction of the plaintiffs with the looming pension decision next month. Aaron, like most of us are thinking, said he's not very confident the pension will be anything more then giving disabled vets what we are getting now and calling it a pension. IE: If you are getting and ELB which is due to end at 65 it will be continued on as a pension. Will it be set up as a real pension that can't be taken away? That remains to be seen. Aaron is trying to start a movement that will help to get Canadians involved. He, with the support of the other plaintiffs, is planning a 5k walk for disabled veterans to put real pressure on the Liberals that will take place all across the country on the same day tentatively slated for early June. He came to the east coast first because he understands we on this side of the country seem to be able to get something like this off the ground a bit easier. I believe that if we can get all the local school boards involved to have the kids take part in some fashion it could be a huge help. This may also be an opportunity for Nova Scotia Nunavut Command to get off it's ass and do some real good for disabled veterans by helping to promote the walk. If you want to stay in the loop I suggest you keep an eye on his Guerrilla Radio site for updates. https://www.facebook.com/groups/853095038155250/. Any suggestions and help in getting the 5k walk off the ground will be greatly appreciated...
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Post by Trooper Tue 14 Nov 2017, 6:52 pm

November 9 2017

Listen: https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/1092248643567/

https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/1092240451978/

The Equitas Society says it’s in for the long-haul in its lawsuit against the Federal Government to reinstate the practice of lifelong pensions for injured veterans.

https://globalnews.ca/video/3852410/veteran-pension-lawsuit-isnt-going-anywhere
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Post by Trooper Sun 19 Nov 2017, 9:41 am

The answer is no.

See highlighted in blue, para 8

We are writing to you because you have reached out to us in the past regarding your interest in being involved in or obtaining information about the class action lawsuit brought against the Government of Canada on behalf of Veterans who have been effected by decreased compensation under the New Veterans Charter.

As you may have heard in the media or through your friends and colleagues, there have been recent settlement negotiations with the Government on this lawsuit. As a result, we wanted to provide an update to as many Veterans as possible to properly inform everyone about what has occurred.

The first point we want to make clear is that the lawsuit has not settled. Earlier this year, following the appointment of Minister O’Toole, the government, and specifically representatives of the Minister, reached out to the representative plaintiffs and counsel on this lawsuit to see if the parties could work together to resolve the issues in this litigation. To that end, we have met with the government many times over the last several months and have expressed our concerns about the lack of benefits as well as problems in the culture at VAC, and shared our recommendations for further change.

As you may know, the Government has recently tabled legislation (Bill C-58) containing proposed reforms that will require legislative enactment. While these changes are not enough for the parties to agree to settle the lawsuit, we see these proposed changes as a positive first step. For the first time since the lawsuit commenced three years ago the Government has shown an intention to take steps and open a dialogue with us towards proposed change and therefore this is the beginning of the process we were hoping to make with this lawsuit. However, it is not enough to settle.

What has occurred, is that the parties have agreed to hold off on the court processes for one year, in order that we can continue negotiations and work with the Government towards further proposed reforms.

It is our view that a negotiated resolution to this lawsuit is in the best interests of Veterans for several reasons. Chief among them is the frailties of the legal process and the need for an efficient solution to getting better benefits for those suffering now.

First, it is important to realize the frailties of the litigation process. When we started this process the Government brought an application to strike out the case arguing that the Veterans did not even have the legal right to sue the Government for decreased benefits. There is quite a lot of case law out there that suggests that a government is entitled to spend their money any way they see fit. What we are arguing for is a novel exception to that which is that the government has a special obligation to veterans that requires them to provide adequate and fair compensation for injuries suffered in service to the country. While this view seems obvious and would carry the day in the court of public opinion, there is no law on the books to support it. Currently the matter is before the Court of Appeal and they have yet to render judgment. The Government attempted to abandon this appeal in Court on Monday, however unfortunately, the Court would not allow the appeal to be abandoned as argument had already been heard by the Court. Instead the Court of Appeal ordered that the Appeal also be held in abeyance for a period of one year. Therefore there remains a risk that the Court could reject our argument and strike out the case entirely, resulting in a bad legal precedent for Veterans going forward. Whether we win or lose in the Court of Appeal the matter would likely proceed to the Supreme Court of Canada and we again cannot be certain that the outcome would be successful there. All this is to say that we still have a long legal battle ahead just to gain the right to sue at the trial court level.

The next issue with the legal process is that the ultimate victory that we could receive would be merely a declaration of invalidity. When Courts find legislation to be unconstitutional they declare it invalid and then direct the Government to fix it. The Court cannot re-draft the legislation itself. In other words, the Courts cannot order the government to increase the lump sum or return to a pension scheme. All the Court has the power under our Constitution to do is to declare that the NVC is unconstitutional and that the government must fix it. There is no guarantee what that fix may be.

This brings us to where we are today. Since Minister O’Toole has been appointed there has been a shift in Veterans Affairs from ignoring or fighting that there is a problem, to acknowledging that there is a problem and wanting to fix it. If the Government is in a position where they are ready and willing to fix it now, rather than 7 years from now when ordered to do so by the Courts, then we truly believe that it is in the best interests of all Veterans to work with them, rather than fight them, to make sure they get the fix right.

The difficulty with ongoing litigation is that the government cannot work with us if we are engaged in litigation. In addition, if we were to be successful after trial and the Court ordered the government to fix the legislation, the government would be under no obligation to seek our input on what the proposed changes would be. By holding the litigation in abeyance we have created the opportunity for our team to be involved in driving what the changes will be. During this period of abeyance, the plaintiffs and their counsel will assess the Government’s implementation of the tabled reforms. We will also provide input to the Government and the Minister of Veterans Affairs as to what additional reforms should be made so that Canada may fully honour the obligations under the Social Covenant. Specifically we will have two representative Plaintiffs working on a stakeholder advisory committee and acting as liaisons between the Veterans community, the government and the legal team regarding reforms that are needed.

It is our view that a negotiated outcome will be the fastest and most effective way to see change.

While it may seem that giving up the “legal fight” for the time being is a loss, we see it as a temporary and necessary measure to try to affect change in the most efficient way. We all know that there are Veterans who are suffering daily without needed benefits and they cannot wait for a seven year legal battle. Change needs to happen now and we see the political process as the best way to achieve that.

In addition, it is important to note that our agreement with the Government does not silence us at all. We have specifically reserved the right for our legal team and representative plaintiffs to continue to comment in the media and raise issues of veterans’ benefits. It is our full intention to stay vocal during the upcoming election and to put our support behind whichever party comes out with the best proposed benefits for Veterans and to challenge the government of the day to do better.

If nothing fruitful comes of this negotiation process, which we view as unlikely, than we just pick back up where we left off in a year. While a year may seem to be a long time, in the lifespan of litigation like this it is only a temporary pause. We are using our experience as legal professionals to look for the best possible outcome for Veterans, and sometimes the best route is not always through litigation. That said, I would reiterate that the litigation is not over and the agreement reached with the Government gives us the right to recommence the action.

Please do not hesitate to follow up with any additional questions you may have to our legal team at: veterans@millerthomson.com. We want to be sure that the message that is getting to the veterans community about what this all means is accurate and we are happy to address your concerns.

For additional information, attached is a link to the Global News interview with Miller Thomson counsel, Don Sorochan Q.C. which explains what has happened with the lawsuit: https://globalnews.ca/video/2030538/veterans-government-put-lawsuit-on-hold

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Post by Dannypaj Thu 30 Nov 2017, 6:21 pm

PLEASE SHARE ON ALL VET PAGES
EQUITAS JUDGES RULING TO BE DELIVERED THIS MONDAY DEC.4.

The ruling will be available on the BC Courts judgments page on Monday see link below:


Equitas B.C. Class Action Lawsuit - Page 2 Img_2112



http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/supreme_court/recent_Judgments.aspx


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Post by Trooper Thu 30 Nov 2017, 8:16 pm

Well let's hope the courts rules in favor of Equitas, and also allows them to use the Liberals platform campaign promises publicly made to the Country.

Here's a good Video to watch:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/video?clipId=895787

Justin Trudeau should be ashamed of himself!
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Post by Trooper Thu 30 Nov 2017, 8:24 pm

Equitas expects appeal court’s decision on veteran charter Monday

B.C.-based veterans advocacy group filed class-action suit against federal government in 2012

NICK GREENIZAN --- Nov. 30, 2017

A BC Court of Appeal decision on a class-action lawsuit filed by the Equitas Society – which challenged the federal government’s New Veterans Charter – is expected Monday, according to a news release issued by the White Rock-based veteran-advocacy group Thursday afternoon.

The New Veterans Charter replaced veterans’ lifelong pensions when it was created in 2006. Equitas – which, since forming, has fought to bring back lifelong pensions for veterans – filed the suit in 2012. It was then appealed by the Canadian government.

The decision is expected to be handed down Monday morning by 10 a.m., according to the release.

http://www.trailtimes.ca/home2/equitas-expects-appeal-courts-decision-on-veteran-charter-monday/

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Post by Nemo Fri 01 Dec 2017, 1:17 pm

Sooooooooo..... if Equitas wins this lawsuit does that then mean the feds have no choice but to bring back the lifetime disability pension?

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Post by Tinz Fri 01 Dec 2017, 3:05 pm

How will this affect those that have received the lump sump, spent all or most of it? Money is paid back with the monthly pension reduced for life?

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Post by Nemo Fri 01 Dec 2017, 3:14 pm

Tinz... I am just thinking that in all fairness that they will have to deduct monies paid in a lump sum against the monthly pension. It would not be equal to give someone a lump sum and then reinstate them immediately on the monthly pension without calculating what they would have received under the pension act. I don't see how they can do it other than that way. Of course, this is just my thought. I have no idea.

So let's say Bobby got released in 2007. And he received $200,000. Let's say he would have been given $3000 per month on a disability pension. So then if you took 10 years at 36000 per year that would have been 360,000 he would have received under the Pension Act. So they would owe Bobby 160,000 plus interest. Of course, it could be the other way too where their lump sum exceeds what they would have been paid under the pension act and they would have to wait until that equalled out to 0 before getting a monthly pension.

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Post by Trooper Fri 01 Dec 2017, 3:21 pm

The upcoming Monday ruling is not a judgement case decision. It is a ruling on an appeal the government has introduced back when the Conservatives were in power.

When the Conservatives were in power they assertion that there is no “social covenant or social contract” between veterans and the Canadian government. This was their statement made to the courts in the Equitas suit.
At the time, Justice Department lawyers responded by saying there is no extraordinary social covenant owed to veterans, other than what Parliament decides to give them, and filed a motion asking for the case to be dismissed. The court ruled against that motion and the government appealed.

The Conservative government agreed to put its appeal on hold in May, 2015, and the two sides tried to find a private resolution.

In the lead-up to the fall election, the Liberals promised to reinstate the lifetime pensions and persuaded the veterans who were part of the suit to appear with them at campaign events.

After the Liberals won, Mr. Trudeau said in Veterans Affairs Minister Kent Hehr’s mandate letter that the minister must ensure that the “government lives up to our sacred obligation to veterans,” and that he must “re-establish lifelong pensions as an option for our injured veterans.” Mr. Sorochan said the veterans agreed to drop the suit if the government would set timelines for acting on the mandate letter.

But that has not happened. The pensions were not included in the March 2016 budget and, when the abeyance period in the lawsuit expired May of that year, Mr. Hehr signed off on sending the case back to the B.C. Court of Appeal.

Government lawyers have asked the Court of Appeal to render judgment on the same arguments that they advanced initially – that there was no special social obligation owed to veterans.

So the ruling on Monday is on the governments appeal to have the case dismissed. If the ruling favors Equitas, then the case can proceed. Also in the ruling will be on whether or not Equitas can use the Liberal's campaign platform as evidence moving forward.

In short, if they rule against the government, the case will go on. It may also be a clear sign that the government will not gain the ability to win this suit. But that's speculation on my part, nevertheless, the governments failure to win their appeal will make them look real bad in the public's eyes.

With reference to Nemo's question on a win for Equitas, and will this guarantee or force the government to bring back the lifetime disability pension?

Read this:

https://cvdbsf.forumotion.com/t317-would-a-victory-win-on-the-side-of-the-equitas-law-suit-guarantee-the-return-of-the-pension-from-the-pension-act
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Post by Nemo Fri 01 Dec 2017, 3:29 pm

Thanks for that Trooper


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Post by Trooper Fri 01 Dec 2017, 3:43 pm

Nemo wrote:Thanks for that Trooper


No Problem.

Here's the thing, Equitas wanted to negotiate because they knew that even with a full victory, they still might not get what they wanted simply because the courts can't order the legislation. They can only order the government to fix it. How the government fixes it lies solely with them.

Here's the best part of an Equitas win in my opinion;

A win would or could set a precedent for future Veteran Lawsuits against the federal government. It could influence Law firms across the Country to climb on board and launch more suits against the federal government on behalf of Veterans. This would be a major positive turning point for disabled veterans in this Country.
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Post by Nemo Fri 01 Dec 2017, 3:50 pm

It will sure be interesting to see the outcome on Monday

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Post by Trooper Fri 01 Dec 2017, 3:57 pm

Nemo wrote:It will sure be interesting to see the outcome on Monday

Here's a footnote for Mondays ruling;

If the court rules in favor of Equitas by not ruling in favor of the governments appeal, the government has another avenue they can go, they could move to appeal the move to strike causing us to go to Canada Supreme Court. This would drag on for quite sometime.

If the government fails to win their appeal on Monday, and does not want to appeal the move to strike, in other words, not fight the appeal anymore, Equitas can then design the class action, and begin the lawsuit.
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Post by Accer Fri 01 Dec 2017, 8:19 pm

I have a strong feeling the court will deny the appeal on Monday.

I think the court will give such a detail reasoning behind their decision that the GOC will have no choice but to end their appeal process and allow the BC Veterans to continue on with their process.

It took long enough for the appeal court to reach a decision, so it must be thorough.
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